The Disturbing Christian Group That Plays S&M For God

“Domestic violence causes far more pain than the visible marks of bruises and scars.” —Karen Latchana Kenney, Domestic Violence

In A Nutshell

Christianity comes in many different styles and flavors. For every regular Catholic household, there’s another full of snake handlers. For every Protestant Church there’s a Fred Phelps, railing against the universe. But perhaps no single sect is as strange as Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD). A form of S&M, its adherents genuinely believe that spanking and domination brings them closer to God—and they’ve got the Biblical texts to prove it.

The Whole Bushel

Thanks to being between 4,000 and 2,000 years old, the Bible has a slightly unenlightened view of women. Parts of the books of Genesis, Ephesians, Proverbs, and Acts can all be interpreted to state that a woman’s place is to silently obey her husband, who has God’s authority to punish her for breaking domestic rules.

Most modern Christians happily ignore these sections, filing them alongside the parts forbidding them to eat shellfish or advocating public stoning as passages no longer relevant to real life. But practitioners of Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD) believe differently. They believe that these sections are the most important parts of the Bible, and that by punishing their wives, husbands bring a couple closer to God . . . provided the punishment involves one heck of a lot of spanking.

Yep: spanking. Although technically done in God’s name, CDD turns out to have a lot more in common with Fifty Shades than anything Pope Francis might recognize. Husbands lay a set of arbitrary rules then devise often-sexual punishments for wives who break them, ranging from the aforementioned spanking to naked humiliation. According to a report in the Daily Beast, husbands are also known to give their wives a “maintenance spanking”—a process whereby well-behaved wives are spanked seemingly for the hell of it.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, such kinky worship is deeply controversial: Although most couples seem to be consenting, the Daily Beast found a worrying number of women who appear to be trapped in abusive relationships, unable to leave their “Godly” tormentors. When we looked through a couple of CDD websites (linked below) we found a truly disturbing amount of words being used to justify hitting wives who begged not to be punished.

Between a couple of consenting Christians, CDD may well be a harmless bit of fun—if one based on a faulty interpretation of the Bible. As a general lifestyle choice . . . well, let’s just say we won’t be signing up anytime soon.

Show Me The Proof

Christian Domestic Discipline: Nonconsensual Consent
Daily Beast: Spanking for Jesus: Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
Huffington Post: Christian Domestic Discipline Promotes Spanking Wives To Maintain Biblical Marriage

  • rincewind

    The expression “a rule of thumb” is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation. It is often claimed that the term’s etymological origin lies in a law that limited the maximum thickness of a stick with which it was permissible for a man to beat his wife.

    • Sean

      Way to copy and paste from Wikipedia, rincewind. Lol

      • rincewind

        Fastest way to do it. However, to use Wikiprdia, you must know what to search for. Also it’s best to check the facts before posting. 😉

  • Guest

    Now can you make a list similar to this about Islam please? But you probably won’t because of the backlash you will receive.

    • Enzo

      Well, Islam (just like Christianity) doesn’t say to sexually abuse your wife… So there u go? Educate yourself before spreading hate

      • Andy West

        So you’re saying it’s wrong? Doris will be disappointed!

  • Andrew Park

    Can you write an article similar to this about Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion? You probably won’t, because of the backlash.

    • rincewind

      As far as I know, Christianity is the only religion with these far-out cults, although I could be wrong. If you know otherwise, why not list them here (or write an article yourself)?

      • Andrew Park

        Cults of Islam (Sects that are viewed as contradictory by mainstream Muslims)
        1. Nuwaubianism: They believe that humans were created in Mars
        2. Nation of Islam: They believe that the black race is the superior race
        3. Faizrakhmanists: They believe that the sun is evil and that they must avoid the sun

        Cults of Judaism (Sects that are viewed as contradictory by Mainstream Jews)
        1. Black Hebrew Israelites: They believe that blacks are the true tribes of Israel
        2. Nation of Yahweh: They believe that a man Hulon Mitchell Jr. Is the Jewish Messiah (offshoot of the Black Hebrew Israelites.)

        There are a lot of far-out cults that are not derived from Christianity. Personally, I believe that America is a hotbed for cult activities due to the high levels of religious and speech freedom. From my observations, a majority of these cults are from the United States (a Christian-majority nation) than anywhere else on earth. Creating your own bizarre religious sect in Muslim-majority nations surely won’t be tolerated and cult-members might be charged with blasphemy or heresy. Remember that there is animosity between the two major kinds of Islam, Sunni and Shia. If they can’t tolerate each other, will they tolerate smaller sects? In fact, all the sects that I listed are based in the USA, except for the Faizrakhmanists, who are found in Russia.

        • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

          You forgot to add Christianity under Cults of Judaism

        • Micah Duke

          We aren’t avoiding publishing something like this because we’re scared of the Internet. We haven’t published something like this because none of our writers have come up with the idea yet. However, it looks like *you* could write an article about these guys. The Faizrakhmanists and the Nuwaubianists sound most interesting. Are you interested in writing? If not, I’ll see if some of the regular writers want to research either of these ideas. Feel free to email me with questions at micah[at]listverse[dot]com.

          • mctrolly

            of course none of them have come up with the idea. why do you need new ideas when you can just harp on the christians?

        • rincewind

          Ah… America. I live in the UK and I have never heard of these non-Christian cults apart from the Nation of Islam and I thought that was just a black power group. Mad Americans! Thanks for the info.

        • Marshal Phillips

          any spanking Muslims or Jews?

        • Guest

          None about the islam is actually true.I am not sure about the second point though. These kind of superstitions are not to be tolerated in Islam.

      • Perizade

        The Gulen Movement, for one. Nation of Islam. Actually, there are several little Islamic offshoots throughout the world. Hare Krishnas. You only know about the Christian ones because in North America, they would be the most common. But around the world there are some ridiculous ones. Japan, a very secular nation, even has them.

      • Brad

        Correctly stated. That’s as far as you know. Sheesh!

    • Sean

      First of all, the reason there’s no similar article about Islam or Christianity is probably because there are no cults like this associated with those religions, therefore no reason to write an article. Second, your comment about how there would be a backlash from members of those religions seems to imply that there ISN’T a backlash from Christians over articles that they perceive as bashing their religion. It happens all the time. Third, the reason American atheists tend to bash Christianity more than these other religions (and this article isn’t even really bashing the religion, he just stated a fact, that the Bible commands women to be totally obedient to their husbands, which it does), is because Christianity is the religion that dominates American culture. Islam and Hinduism don’t do so. At least not in this country. So we’re not exposed to it on a daily basis the way we are to Christianity. The atheists in the countries where other religions are predominant probably speak out more against those particular religions that Christianity.

    • Brad

      Agreed

  • Hillyard

    There is all kinds of crazy in the world. Any woman that would put up with this probably has some low self-esteem problems. Another reason to be an atheist.

    • IDontUnderstandU

      Low self-esteem problems brought on by an abusive husband.*

    • Lisa 39

      Well hillyard, you’re absolutely right about low self esteem problems, but let me tell you why we hathve that, little boys are raised being told that they are the providers, they have to grow up and take care of their wife, little girls are raised

  • Babis Wayne

    Priestess! I need a priestess!

  • Dan

    Not the best written article I’ve ever seen…

    “four and 2,000 years old” (so 2010 then?)

    “Genesis, Epiphanies, Proverbs, and Acts” (Ephesians? Philippians?)

    These bizarre people do not represent mainstream Christianity, but I have my doubts as to the accuracy of the whole article when the writer can’t even be bothered to google the names of the books of the Bible. What was an interesting read now seems uninformed and ill researched. Come on knowledgeNuts, get your act together.

    • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

      Typical Christian. Look up the words “humor” and “satire” when you have a chance.

      • Damen Lucier

        It’s not satire if he didn’t mean to do it. And if he did, then he probably should have made a reference to it. And not just assume we would understand his satire on a website dedicated to knowledge. Go back to satirenuts, of you don’t like useful, correct information.

        • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

          Hey fuckwit, Mark Twain used to offer many humorous asides and anecdotes when he wrote articles on serious subject…and you know what? People got it.

          Do you get it yet….fuckwit?

          • Andy West

            I think you’ll find that’s a Dickens character, never heard of the ‘Fuckwit Papers?’ Listen to some Phil Collins and calm the down!

      • Gq

        Typical Christian? That’s sounds like stereotyping which, in my opinion, would make you a bigot. You don’t have to like Christians but when you start discriminating that makes you no better than the people you bash. I hope you are less ignorant in the future buddy.

        • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

          Hey fuck wit, any idiot who believes that we are being punished by an invisible sky wizard just because some clay woman accepted some magic fruit from a talking snake…is a fucking idiot.

          • Gq

            You have a lot of anger. I hope you work through that and learn to have respect. God bless.

    • Sean

      The 4,000 and 2,000 year old thing was an estimation, not an exact number. People have referred to the time of Jesus as ‘2000 years ago’ for several decades now at least. This is more practical than changing the exact number every year. Also a few spelling errors does not discredit the entire article. It might not be the most professionally written one but that doesn’t make it’s subject matter untrue. Why be so pedantic?

      • Dan

        The article has now been corrected and corrected in the ways I pointed out. Originally it was ambiguous, now it isn’t. I’m purely being pedantic because I think that if you’re going to critique any group of people (no matter their religion, beliefs, ethnicity, culture etc. etc.), then you should have a good argument and do it in a well researched way. The spelling errors themselves don’t discredit the article, but they suggest a lack of time being spent on this article. I know it’s a fun site, but when a few spelling errors or factual mistakes can significantly change people’s perceptions, then I think they matter. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a humourless grammar robot but people are misinformed enough already.

        • Sean

          Fair enough, but the article was still okay saying between 4,000 and 2,000 years because like I said, it’s just a rough estimation and the 2,000 year estimate has been in use for quite some time now. This is further complicated by the fact that there is a lot of debate as to the exact time Jesus lived anyway.

          • Dan

            My issue wasn’t the dating, but the way it was said. Between four and 2000 years doesn’t mean between 4000 and 2000 years (as it says now). Been corrected, not an issue.

          • Sean

            Oh ok. My bad. The first time I read the article, it already said between 4,000 and 2,000, hence the confusion. Sorry.

          • Dan

            No worries, at least it was sorted

  • Spartacross

    People who go into he heresy o Nicolaitism (core belief: salvation comes only after destroying one’s body with…sins of the flesh) are neither new nor original. And they are clearly not Christian.

    They have not been ever since 1049 AD, when the First Synod of the Orthodox Church held in Rome condemned and excommunicated them.

  • Wang King

    Where can I join?

    • Brad

      Lol

    • Marozia

      There’s more to polygamy than just getting your rocks off! What happens if the wives hate each other? What happens if your wives gang up on you and refuse to do work?
      Than again, you might enjoy your wives spanking you. One can wield a whip, one a rod and one an electric cow prod.

      • Wang King

        Then I’d have to spank them all at the same time.

  • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

    Think this is bad? There are Christian sects to this day that think it is ok for parents to beat their kids…with rods. And also their are Christian sects betroth children to adult. I know of several Christian sects that practice polygamy and other atrocities

  • random_tangent

    Kind of wondering where the author got the idea that this is S&m – nowhere in the source articles does it call it that. If you want to apply a ‘scene’ term to Domestic Discipline – Christian or not, it’s an offshoot of D/s – Dominance and submission, as opposed to sadism and masochism, which is about pleasure in causing/experiencing pain. If you want to deride a group of people’s beliefs and consensual choices, at least give it the right name. Even BDSM covers all of the above choices. It’s disappointing to see someone more concerned about sensationalising something because of shaky connections to the bible, than doing solid research into what they’re actually saying. The core information in the article is sound, but if you’re going to use a ‘buzzword’ to draw readers, it should at least be an accurate one!

  • Lisa 39

    O for criminy sake, this is another classic example of selective reading, this is what makes christians easy targets for atheists, i have never seen ‘beat your wifes ass’ in the bible, what i did learn however is, wive’s obey your husband, husband respect your wife. Men, if you respect your wife and treat her right she’ll make you happy, follow you to the end of the universe and try to meet your every need, women, don’t give your man a hard time or be a nag, especially when he’s doing his best to provide for you. If he’s a drunk who hits you and is mean to your kids and bad with money then kick him to the curb, if he’s a good man then work to keep him by not being a crazy bitch. Re the christians who enjoy it, they’re getting kinky publicly, re those where women aren’t enjoying it, that’s called abuse, if you really want to know what the bible says about sex then read the song of solomon, slowly, think about what each sentence really means.

    • Sean

      Neither spouse should have to OBEY the other. And while the Bible may not tell husbands to beat their wives, it does however say it’s okay for masters to beat their slaves as long as they don’t kill them because they are the master’s property. If you want to believe in a god, fine, but don’t pretend the Bible isn’t an outdated book from a much more unenlightened era. Yes, there are good teachings in the Bible such as forbidding murder and theft, but these are values held in almost every religion and culture in the world. You don’t need an ancient book to tell you that these acts are wrong or that any act is wrong. You should listen to that little thing called a conscience. If you harm someone and you feel remorse, then chances are that’s your conscience telling you that you did something wrong. If you want to believe that “little voice” comes from a god or some other higher power then so be it, but don’t just blindly follow what a 2,000 year old book written by primitive MEN tells you.

      • Lisa 39

        Hi sean, don’t worry i’m not one of those ‘every word is true’ types, i agree 100% about man writing the bible, i’m sure they slipped alot of their own words in there, i think the bible is basically an instruction manuel to teach people to treat each other with love and respect and how to live decent lives, i believe that god is about love and if you mind your p’s and q’s you won’t have to worry about hell. I also agree with you about having a conscience, that’s what makes people decent, but i do not blindly follow anything outdated, i do have a king james student bible which is way better to read and a little more enlightened lol, not that i’ve read it in 10 years but i know where it is, i think, thank you sean for your comment, its nice to hear different opinions without aggression.

        • Sean

          You’re welcome. I try to remain as civil as possible when I debate with people about things. If you come in with hostility, all you’re gonna do is piss people off and alienate them, so I try not to do that. Although sometimes even I slip into that territory. I’m only human, lol. But yes, bottom line, morality comes from within, not without. I also feel that by definition an act cannot be immoral unless it harms someone else. That’s why I get so angry when Christians claim that homosexuality is an immoral act. If two consenting adults of the same gender get together, they are not harming anyone, therefore no immoral act is being committed. I’m aware that the Bible itself condemns homosexuality as immoral but this just brings me back to the point of listening to your own heart to figure out what’s right and what’s wrong and not an ancient book. It kind of reminds me of the scene in the awesome movie Sling Blade where Billy Bob Thornton plays Carl, a mentally challenged man just released from an institution for murdering his mother as a child. He befriends a young boy and his mother and the mother is in an abusive relationship with a hot-tempered and controlling man played by Dwight Yoakam. Carl notices this and knows that it’s wrong, because even though he is mentally challenged, he still has a conscience. He also knows that the mother is friends with an extremely kind and compassionate gay man played by John Ritter who sticks up for her when her abusive boyfriend tries to verbally or physically assault her. The scene I’m getting at here is the scene where Carl is talking to the gay man and says “I know the Bible says a man ought not to lay with another man, but I don’t think the Lord would send a good man like you to Hades” This scene touches me every time.

          • Lisa 39

            When people love each other it shouldn’t be wrong, what’s wrong with love? Ok aside from the obvious lol, seriously tho everyone is entitled to their own opinions and feelings, its wrong for me to tell you that you’re wrong because your opinion is different, i won’t argue over religion but i will have a discussion and respect your opinion, i’m actually having a nice discussion with an atheist somewhere in this comment section, i’m not shoving religion and he’s not telling me i’m a nut job lol. I haven’t seen that movie but now i want to! I’m going to see if its on netflix! Thank you sean!

  • Brad

    Never to be seen Listverse list: “Positive Things Christians Do”